Comments on: For All Borrowers: Asking For, and Getting, Information http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information The mortgage crisis showed that some residential mortgage lenders weren’t doing a good job of keeping careful records and communicating with borrowers. Some of this affected all borrowers, but the worst effect was that some people who could have worked out their problems with the right help, lost their homes. Congress has told the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) to adopt new federal regulations to avoid this in the future. On this site, you can read about the new proposals, react to them, and discuss them with others. What you say here will make a difference: CFPB is required to consider public comment before making a final decision, and it will get a detailed summary of what Regulation Room commenters have to say. Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:00:12 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: transparency http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-366 transparency Tue, 02 Oct 2012 01:39:25 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-366 Problem: “The servicer would not have to respond to requests that come more than 1 year after the loan is paid off.
Solution: No time limit to expose mortgage abuse. We have not solved the problems in 4 years so how could one year be a fair time line? (Common sense)

Problem: Allowing servicers to charge for information on your account.
Solution: All monthly account activity directly and indirectly needs to be transparent on the monthly loan statement, this is not an alicart restaurant.

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By: Anne Hart http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-360 Anne Hart Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:36:46 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-360 I agree Britt. I believe the intent of the consumer is to retrieve all internal comments (servicer, bank, GSE, Trust Documents and any other miscellaneous information as any other clear and transparent Discovery would uncover; electronic or written). All of this information belongs to the consumer. Oral testimony mean zip, zilch, nothing in the context of servicer abuse. Less than zero.

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By: Moderator http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-333 Moderator Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:11:24 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-333 Hi anne.hart.5070. Welcome to Regulation Room and thank you for your comment.

The CFPB with these new rules is looking to expand requirements for servicers to provide information. Today servicers are only required to respond to “qualified written requests” related specifically to “servicing” as defined in legislation. The new rules would obligate servicers to reply to both oral and written requests. The new rules would also obligate servicers to disclose information that is generally found in a borrowers mortgage loan file and not just information related to servicing.

However, the CFPB does not want want to place unmanageable burdens on servicers. One… more »

…example the agency gives is a request that a diligent servicer would need more than 45 days to answer.

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By: transparency http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-328 transparency Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:18:33 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-328 Why are you leaving it up to the servicer to determine if the information being requested is “unreasonable”? The CFPB is not listening to the “ordinary” people because this is the problem now, not the solution. The banks are probably being asked the same 20 or 30 questions over and over about loans. Please ask Versability for a list of the questions, in relation to a loan, that people ask that are currently not covered on the sample monthly statement that could easlily fit on the statement. Varsability that is emailing you, is trying everything to address transparency issues and has the answers you are looking for. Why don’t we separate reasonable questions from unreasonable questions. Ask Versability, how many of the questions could be answered on the monthly… more »
…statement and eliminate entire categories of crime and eliminate the need to beg for additional information by the borrower. Versability is an insider, bank person that understands banking software and what they are capable of doing. Why is the ultimate goal here, not to reduce as many phone calls as possible, for the borrower to make and the servicer to receive, by providing all monthly activity, in a transparent monthly loan statement, by maximizing the “Transaction Activity” category. (common sense) Everybody is emailing Regulation Room their information problems. It is time to make a list and determine what is “reasonable” information and what is not with specific questions or this is useless. Until we do this we are not even addressing the problem. Should the government tell the Banks, if we are going to give you money to lend, then all activity between banks,servicers and third party vendors in relation to a loan directly and indirectly, has to be transparent to the borrower in “Transaction Activity” monthly? The government needs to say, this has to be a requirement, due to the uncontrollable level of fraud, money laundering, deception and irresponsibility that the ordinary people are being put through unnecessarily. The current system is not working and there are no other alternatives that will solve this problem. Why will our government not step up their game and say, we are not going to allow the banking system any longer, to hide their over priced expenses, behind four interchangeable standard responses that include: “that is proprietary information” or “that is non-recovery” or we are not going to answer your question in relation to expenses, that your account was billed etc… We already know what the servicer is going to determine is “unreasonable” and they will apply the same 4 lousy excuses over and over that I have addressed above, that happened to me. Although it was not the largest monetary crime committed in my account, my following example demonstrates the lack of quality response that is the standard servicer response and manipulation of excuses that the current system allows and the proposed generic changes will let continue. Sadly, this will continue based on the leave it up to the banker to decide if it is an “unreasonable” question, as the solution. Do you think this is unreasonable? I asked who did the drive by inspections of my home, that my account was being billed for, AFTER my home sold. The bank informed me this information was proprietary. I received a check for the over billing with no description on the check. When I asked JPMC why they mailed me a check dated… for the amount of…. and the check cover page even had a bar code and a check a number. Chase responded with: “Chase does not have a record of the letter you are referring to in regards to refund of fees” (Sorry our computer is stupid game). The current system allows banks to be reactive and return only money on an “as busted system” ( HUGE PROBLEM NO SOLUTION) (reactive instead of proactive) When a servicer receives a letter questioning something just refund it. If a borrower is given little information on expenses in their account and you do not get a letter then you keep your ill gotten gains. It really is a simple system based on limited information. With the current system, the servicer just needs to set up a “got caught expense fund” and consider it the cost of committing fraud instead of cost of goods sold. The government is responsible for this current broken system by not requiring transparent monthly statements with strict guidelines on the use of “Transaction Activity”. Versatility as a insider and me having uncovered fraud in almost every categories of my loan payoff statement will both tell you this current disclosure plan does nothing to address the worst problems. (Problem:Banking fraud and secretive activity involving your loan account that increase your payoff and over states your expenses. Solution: eliminate the secrets with 30 day all inclusive, loan activity statements and there are no questions or secrets allowed). The problems are massive and the solutions are so simple. So Servicers don’t have to provide “confidential” (AKA that is proprietary) or “general corporate” (this is soooo generic and generally covers anything servicer related and my “that is non-recovery” would even fit here it is so generic and useless) and if the request for information can not be rejected with one of these generic categories jump to “for information it does not have” (AKA Sorry our computer is stupid game) I could go down this whole list but I think the point is made that this solution is not helpful and is actually counter productive by legitimizing the response that I received above.
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By: Anne Hart http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-327 Anne Hart Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:10:27 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-327 I agree Britt, This information belongs to the consumer. Forcing a querant into discovery is unfair, expensive and very often a lengthy process. The burden should NOT be on the consumer to retrieve ALL information in their mortgage file. To do less not only harms the consumer it harms the public records. Stop negotiating with these banks, force the banks to organize their records and reconcile them with the registries. ENOUGH ALREADY.

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By: openreels http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-319 openreels Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:23:20 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-319 I don’t have time to address each category individually, so I want to make a plea here for common sense!

As others have pointed out, if banks, lenders, and servicers have nothing to hide, why not provide the information that consumers need as clearly and quickly as possible? While there may be legitimate reasons for delays or missing information, oftentimes obfuscation and complicating tactics mean there are things they don’t want you to know, or they hope you will just go away. This happens in many industries–health insurance is a good one.

If the government’s job is to facilitate commerce, and also prevent fraud, both could be served by simply requiring mortgage businesses to behave transparently. It’s the old Golden Rule applied to business! If they won’t agree they should have a legitimate explanation or be denied the opportunity.

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By: Moderator http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-316 Moderator Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:18:48 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-316 Hi Transparency. CFPB has not proposed a “new disclosure system” for attorneys that would give attorneys privileged access to mortgage information. Instead, it wants to make information more accessible to borrowers and feels that servicers will be able to devote more resources to providing borrowers with specific information about their mortgage accounts if servicers are not overwhelmed by the types of burdensome information requests that are more likely to come from attorneys and are better suited for the discovery phase of litigation.

Please also remember that the purpose of Regulation Room is to provide an environment in which people can learn about important proposed government regulations and discuss them in ways that help the agency make better final decisions. Moderators are here to facilitate discussion on CFPB’s proposed rules and do not take sides on the issues.

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By: transparency http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-315 transparency Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:15:08 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-315 Moderator, why is the CFPB concerned about giving the public too much information when almost all of the complaints are about not enough or wrong information? Not one person is complaining because they have “too much information”. The public is pulling their hair out because of lack of information, run around and lies. If all activity in a borrowers loan account is disclosed to the homeowner monthly, their would be no “unduly burdensome” phone calls to the servicer. Why is the CFPB complicating things further by separating what information only an attorney can get as opposed to what a borrower can get. A lot of borrowers represent themselves, then what? Why should only an irrelevant third party at a price have transparent information on your loan? What information… more »
…are they only allowing an attorney to get? Splitting the disclosure up between different companies without a simple monthly transparent statement is ignoring the real problem. Where is your question about what rights you are in the process of taking away from the public? I am the poster child for mortgage abuse, having found crime in almost every category, in reference to my home loan. I can tell you, the only thing that would have prevented this from happening, to me, would be if the “Transaction Activity” category, in your new sample Periodic Statement (or monthly loan statement) include all activity related to my loan. Keep in mind this is not a regular bank statement with lots of entries. This a 1 simple loan statement and there should only be a few entries under “Transaction Activity” each month with transparency. For example, if JP Morgan gives Assurant money for a force placed insurance policy and Assurant cuts a check back to JP Morgan or a subsidiary of JP Morgan for 75% of the policy and both activities are related to my loan then the servicer needs to record both under “Transaction Activity”. I can see why the banks would say this is being “unduly burdensome” when they have to document what they are really doing to people. What did you think they would say, we want to put all our crimes on paper and be held accountable, let’s do it? If the servicer charges for a drive by inspections after your house sold then the company name and phone number need to be in Transaction Activity showing the payout. If your servicer and the closing agent both collect your current years property taxes at closing, the day it was paid out should show up in your “Transaction Activity” so you can find it. If the bank is going to keep your account open for 6 months, after your closing, charging you additional interest, to use up some of the over stated closing money, then the bank should send you monthly statements, for 6 months, showing what they are doing behind your back. Limited disclosure like you are proposing is bad but you should see what happens, after the closing, when no disclosure statement is mailed out and your account is left open. You don’t know the half of it. Do you really think it’s better to have a 4 year investigation, into force placed insurance, with lots of hearings, to finally get a company, to admit they are cutting back, up to 75% for force placed insurance policies, back to JP Morgan Chase, when they initiate a policy? Because this entry was not required, on the monthly statement, is the reason so many people, have been so badly abused and why this went unnoticed for so long. You say the banks claim it is “unduly burdensome” to tell me what they are doing to me. Let’s dissect the banks objections and make some real progress. “Transaction Activity” transparency is the category where the problems and solutions rest and it is being swept under the rug, with your plan, with very little disclosure and you are not hearing the “ORDINARY” people. Moderator, please get a list from the CFPB of all the “unduly burdensome” issues the bank claims is beyond the roll of “servicing” a loan, that they are afraid to disclose. Unless someone is being over paid or generating some third party fraud that requires information to be hid, the banks should be happy to put everything on the monthly statement, to relieve the servicer, of the burden of all the phone calls. The truth is the Banksters know, that they have to put up with, unduly burdensome phone calls because the only other alternative is to expose their crimes, under “Transaction Activity” and people will no longer need to call. With full disclosure, the banks and the CFPB’s phone should hardly ring, in reference to mortgage loans. How many entries could there possible be in one loan in 30 days? If you leave this category, the way it is now, you have just enabled the circus to continue. Bottom line, it is not up to the banks and servicers to determine how responsible they are going to be, it is up to the government to set the standards high not low, with transparency. Why will Obama not tell Richard Cordray to demand full disclosure, from the banks, for the “ORDINARY” people, if a bank wants to be able to continue to lend money, end of story! If I understand you correctly, you are going to limit even further the information available to the public, making some of it only available to attorney’s, “which would allow servicers not to respond to certain types of information requests” according to you. I get real nervous, when you talk about a “new disclosure system by attorneys, rather than ORDINARY people”. What is even more scary is your solution for the question that we are currently discussing that addresses not being able to get information from your lender. Your solution talks about the CFPB’s worry about “the risk of overloading consumers with too much information”. I have been alive for 50 years and nobody in any conversation has ever complained that their lender has given them too much information. I realize that Adam Levitin, that just joined the CFPB, as an advisor, is an attorney and could benefit from this rule but after reading some of his amazing papers I would love to know what he has to say about this. Would he leave a comment? My opinion is, you don’t limit borrowers information further to reduce crime and increase transparency. The ordinary people should not have to pay out any money to get information on your loan it should be provided monthly. Look at the earnings of the largest servicers even with all the lawsuits and you should agree they need to start offering service for their earnings. A couple of entries a month is hardly a burden for this amount of wealth the banks are generating from the ordinary and the banks probably cannot even believe they are getting away with providing such little detail.
(Borrower Problem: borrowers not given information Solution: borrowers get all relevant information monthly, timely).
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By: Moderator http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-314 Moderator Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:44:47 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-314 Hi transparency. Thank you for your comment!

The CFPB wants periodic reports provided by creditors, assignees, or servicers to balance the need to provide useful information against the risk of overloading consumers with too much information. If a consumer wants additional information about their mortgage loan, the CFPB would require servicers to respond to consumers’ written and oral requests within a specified amount of time. Because expanding the way consumers can ask for information encourages use of the new disclosure system by attorneys, rather than ordinary people, the CFPB would allow servicers not to respond to certain types of information requests. Do you think the CFPB has struck the appropriate balance? Do you have an example of the kind of indirect transaction activity that… more »

…you think should be included in the sample periodic statement?

You also mentioned that advanced software and technology is available to servicers that would simplify the disclosure process. What do you think of the proposed exception servicers would have that would allow them not to respond to “unduly burdensome” information requests? « less

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By: Moderator http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/issue-posts/for-all-borrowers-requesting-getting-information/#comment-313 Moderator Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:38:24 +0000 http://archive.regulationroom.org/mortgage-protection/?p=254#comment-313 Hi hotblazer. Could you clarify which items on the list you are concerned about? Or are you saying that you feel the servicer should have to respond to every request, including requests for information that it doesn’t have? Do you think that requiring the servicer to tell the borrower within five days if it thinks it does not have to respond to a request and to explain why will help prevent a servicer from stalling?

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